27 April 2008

Fascism: right or left?

In the last few days I have seen, from several directions, the old question raised as to whether fascism should be considered right-wing or left-wing.

The argument familiar to libertarians is that, because fascism is collectivist, it should be considered left-wing. This is often traced back to Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn, and has been brought up recently by Jonah Goldberg in his book. There is also the fact that the originators of fascism were on the left first.

There is a summary of some recent discussion among British libertarian bloggers at the curiously-named don't set fire to your jacket .

John Gray argues in his book Black Mass, which, as promised, I will review here shortly, that fascism, if not actually of the left, is at least a product the same enlightenment mythology, as he sees it. In this he is closely following Kuehnelt-Leddihn.

Mencius at UR has argued the contrary.
In the 1930s, there was no confusion at all as to whether the fascist movements were parties of the extreme Right or of the extreme Left. Everyone agreed. They were parties of the Right. Populist right-wingers to be sure, but right-wingers nonetheless. For once, the conventional wisdom is perfectly accurate.
In this case I would go along with him. This is not really a question which has a right or wrong answer, but I think its more useful to classify fascism as right-wing than left-wing. The reason is in what I consider the essence of government, as I wrote yesterday. Politics is not primarily about how society should be governed. It is primarily about who does the governing. So the similarity in policy between far-left and far-right is interesting and noteworthy, but it does not mean they are the same. Politics is primarily about what group should rule, and fascism and communism represent different groups. The left seeks to dispossess the rich; the right seeks to control them. The fact that, after gaining control of the economy, they would each do much the same thing with it, is not enough to make them allies. Since they will always oppose each other, it is not useful to classify them as on the same side.

One reason some libertarians dislike describing fascists as right-wing is that they consider themselves of the right. I think that is a mistake, caused by the history of the cold war, where they sided with the true right against communism. That is all over now, but the personal and organisational ties survive to an extent. Let the fascists have the "right-wing" label; our position is not left or right, but fundamentally "anti-politics". That should have public appeal currently, although it is an admission that we cannot really win the game, because we are not really playing.

Update: I've written a lot more on fascism recently; see here and here.


Falco said...

I can undertand your cynicism but the question of how rather than who is a very important one that was, (historically recently), at the heart of politcal debate.

That question is on the rise again and given that large state government has failed to deliver at staggering cost people are willing to listen.

As to the left/right debate on the fascists, I have a tendency to equate the fascists with the left because the left is necessarily authoritarian and the right can be but it is not a fundamental requirement.

Falco said...

P.S. Thou shalt be linked.

James A. Donald said...

No, there have to two organized factions, but there don't have to be two sides.

The left is one location, and right is all other locations. The right is the non left. Leftwards is towards orthodoxy, rightwards is deviation from orthodoxy in any direction.

Left and Right is like Roman Catholics and protestants during the reformation. There was only one way to be Roman Catholic, but a thousand completely different ways to be protestant.

The left is the permanently winning faction. The right is a loose coalition of everyone that gets stomped by the winners

So libertarians are right, and fascists right, even though they disagree about everything, and similarly Roissy is right. and Austin is right, even though they disagree about everything.

Right and left are not irections. Rather the right is the non left.

Roissy has deviated from left wing dogma in one direction, Austin in the other direction.

If the fascists had won, then they would be left. Observe that before World War II, all the notable leftists were tending fascist, for example George Bernard Shaw and Jack London. Whoever is winning gets inducted into the left wing coalition, and the orthodoxy is adjusted to accomodate them. History is then swiftly rewritten that the current orthodoxy was always left wing orthodoxy.